Comments on: Tajiks get attacked by Neo Nazis in Russia http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/ neweurasia\'s latest on Tajikistan Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:59:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: vizhejoon http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-17173 vizhejoon Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:30:43 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-17173 Its so said, that i am speechless... Every emotion, political movement, mass phenomenon can always be the reason of provocation of other emotions, other political movements and other mass phenomena; it was facism which introduced the human conscience to socialism and communism, and now years of communism in russia and of FORCED equality which has caused the tension in the brain of russians their preference for their white skin and their light eyes. This is the product of extremes. The product of the imposement of equality for everyone and not of will. Im so unhappy to hear that so many of my fellow "hamvatans" are being killed for the simple reason of wanting to feed their families. All i want is to have educated people all around the world who care for all these people who suffer and to think about them and use the privileges of being in a foreign country and to educate themselves as much as possible so that tomorrow, we may have some people to come back to our country and to make some changes, not just any changes, real, positive, strong changes. Im happy to see some active people, who promote the exchange of information such that our brains might know more about whats really going on. Its so said, that i am speechless…
Every emotion, political movement, mass phenomenon can always be the reason of provocation of other emotions, other political movements and other mass phenomena; it was facism which introduced the human conscience to socialism and communism, and now years of communism in russia and of FORCED equality which has caused the tension in the brain of russians their preference for their white skin and their light eyes. This is the product of extremes. The product of the imposement of equality for everyone and not of will. Im so unhappy to hear that so many of my fellow “hamvatans” are being killed for the simple reason of wanting to feed their families. All i want is to have educated people all around the world who care for all these people who suffer and to think about them and use the privileges of being in a foreign country and to educate themselves as much as possible so that tomorrow, we may have some people to come back to our country and to make some changes, not just any changes, real, positive, strong changes.
Im happy to see some active people, who promote the exchange of information such that our brains might know more about whats really going on.

]]> By: great blog http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-7092 great blog Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:05:16 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-7092 <strong>great blog...</strong> ... great blog…

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]]> By: Arya http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-2424 Arya Mon, 04 Sep 2006 04:40:47 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-2424 i don't think the neo nazis in Russia should attack people from India , because Indians and Russians are both Aryans !!!! i don’t think the neo nazis in Russia should attack people from India , because Indians and Russians are both Aryans !!!!

]]> By: 23point5.net » http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-581 23point5.net » Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:34:32 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-581 [...] New Eurasia’s Tajikistan Blog writes about new racist attacks on Tajiks in Moscow. To update on Tajik Boy’s post, two Tajiks were attacked in Moscow. Both suffered multiple knife wounds, one fatally. [...] […] New Eurasia’s Tajikistan Blog writes about new racist attacks on Tajiks in Moscow. To update on Tajik Boy’s post, two Tajiks were attacked in Moscow. Both suffered multiple knife wounds, one fatally. […]

]]> By: tajikistan.neweurasia.net » Blog Archive » More on Tajiks in Moscow http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-575 tajikistan.neweurasia.net » Blog Archive » More on Tajiks in Moscow Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:57:21 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-575 [...] To update on Tajik Boy’s post, two Tajiks were attacked in Moscow. Both suffered multiple knife wounds, one fatally. [...] […] To update on Tajik Boy’s post, two Tajiks were attacked in Moscow. Both suffered multiple knife wounds, one fatally. […]

]]> By: Madina M http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-477 Madina M Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:32:26 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-477 I don't believe that comments should be viewed as pointless. It was not a comparison by any means. I was simply saying that things do change over time. Right now Russians are going through that time when they are getting used to the changes, changes like having other people, non-russians, on their territory. This has happened to many ethnic groups over time, the irish in the early times of Civil War in the US, the blacks, the spanish...it's all just part of change. The same I believe is what's happening in Russian in regards to tajiks or caucaus people...that was what I was trying to say. Sheesh. I don’t believe that comments should be viewed as pointless. It was not a comparison by any means. I was simply saying that things do change over time. Right now Russians are going through that time when they are getting used to the changes, changes like having other people, non-russians, on their territory. This has happened to many ethnic groups over time, the irish in the early times of Civil War in the US, the blacks, the spanish…it’s all just part of change. The same I believe is what’s happening in Russian in regards to tajiks or caucaus people…that was what I was trying to say. Sheesh.

]]> By: Manuchehr http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-465 Manuchehr Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:49:58 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-465 Correction: "deny these same things when they come to Tajikistan", to be read as "deny these same RIGHTS TO LOCAL PEOPLE" Correction: “deny these same things when they come to Tajikistan”, to be read as “deny these same RIGHTS TO LOCAL PEOPLE”

]]> By: Manuchehr http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-464 Manuchehr Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:44:11 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-464 Ataman, what I am lamenting is not the mistreatment that Tajiks get outside, in that regard Tajiks are in the same boat with other "small brothers". What I am lamenting is how the state of affairs is at home with rank and file of the citizens not knowing their basic rights and as a result of that, not knowing how to assert themselves vis-a-vis the authorities. This is what is missing in the post-conflict Tajik society, but hopefuly changing nowaday. I believe in the change coming from inside and not from "the big brothers" like Russia, not from the newfound brothers like Turkey or Iran and definitely not from "the philanthropic West". "The sleazy, pedantic and humiliating behavior of a certain part of the expats has done a lot to foster popular antipathy". Ataman, I agree with you. Certain expats behave such that it tells one as if they own you. And let me tell you guys how frastrating it feels, when certain people that come from the lands of freedom and human rights, deny these same things when they come to Tajikistan. Ataman, what I am lamenting is not the mistreatment that Tajiks get outside, in that regard Tajiks are in the same boat with other “small brothers”. What I am lamenting is how the state of affairs is at home with rank and file of the citizens not knowing their basic rights and as a result of that, not knowing how to assert themselves vis-a-vis the authorities. This is what is missing in the post-conflict Tajik society, but hopefuly changing nowaday. I believe in the change coming from inside and not from “the big brothers” like Russia, not from the newfound brothers like Turkey or Iran and definitely not from “the philanthropic West”.

“The sleazy, pedantic and humiliating behavior of a certain part of the expats has done a lot to foster popular antipathy”. Ataman, I agree with you. Certain expats behave such that it tells one as if they own you. And let me tell you guys how frastrating it feels, when certain people that come from the lands of freedom and human rights, deny these same things when they come to Tajikistan.

]]> By: Ataman Rakin http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-458 Ataman Rakin Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:34:47 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-458 Tajikboy: "I think they are mainly a tool for settling commercial interest disputes between Russians and other ethnic groups that now control various commercial structures/points in Moscow." Well possible. In other parts of the world, there were pogroms that clearly had a 'wealth redistribution angle' eg. against Lebanese in several West African countries in the early '90s, the Gujarati in Uganda in the '70s, ethnic Chinese in Indonesia; a similar logic was at work (be it not a 'pogrom' of course) when Kazakh and Kyrgyz authorities and mobsters harrassed ethnic Uighurs a couple years ago, officially because of 'suspected terrorist links' but in fact because Uighurs are strong in trade, currency exchange, ... Manucher: "They get mistreated at home. They go to Russia, get mistreated all the same. When is this injustice going to stop?" I think that incidents like these ones shed the light on a certain reality. Even if Tajikistan and other southern ex-Soviet countries will always have a special relationship with Russia because of the common Soviet past, the continuing domination of the Russian language, media, migrant labor etc., Russia (as a power establishment that is -- nothing against 'the Russians') is *not* the 'big brother' that will 'save', 'help' and 'protect' you, like not a few in the region seem to think/hope. Today, Russia is a neo-colonial power in a part of the world (southern ex-USSR) that is clearly characterised by a post-colonial situation. And like all neo-colonial powers, it is trying to safeguard its interest and position (control over raw materials, markets, cheap labour, ... ) by *using* you, by supporting vicious compradore regimes, etc. So do the West (US+EU) and China. Neither Russia, the West or China will be your saviors. Tajikboy: “I think they are mainly a tool for settling commercial interest disputes between Russians and other ethnic groups that now control various commercial structures/points in Moscow.”

Well possible. In other parts of the world, there were pogroms that clearly had a ‘wealth redistribution angle’ eg. against Lebanese in several West African countries in the early ’90s, the Gujarati in Uganda in the ’70s, ethnic Chinese in Indonesia; a similar logic was at work (be it not a ‘pogrom’ of course) when Kazakh and Kyrgyz authorities and mobsters harrassed ethnic Uighurs a couple years ago, officially because of ’suspected terrorist links’ but in fact because Uighurs are strong in trade, currency exchange, …

Manucher: “They get mistreated at home. They go to Russia, get mistreated all the same. When is this injustice going to stop?”

I think that incidents like these ones shed the light on a certain reality.

Even if Tajikistan and other southern ex-Soviet countries will always have a special relationship with Russia because of the common Soviet past, the continuing domination of the Russian language, media, migrant labor etc., Russia (as a power establishment that is — nothing against ‘the Russians’) is *not* the ‘big brother’ that will ’save’, ‘help’ and ‘protect’ you, like not a few in the region seem to think/hope.

Today, Russia is a neo-colonial power in a part of the world (southern ex-USSR) that is clearly characterised by a post-colonial situation. And like all neo-colonial powers, it is trying to safeguard its interest and position (control over raw materials, markets, cheap labour, … ) by *using* you, by supporting vicious compradore regimes, etc.

So do the West (US+EU) and China. Neither Russia, the West or China will be your saviors.

]]> By: Tajik Boy http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-437 Tajik Boy Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:18:35 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2006/04/12/tajiks-get-attacked-by-neo-nazis-in-russia/#comment-437 "Who could that be? Zhirinovski and Limonov had no position in the Kremlin as far as I know and are more folklore. Pashka Mercedes maybe (cf. his dubious role during the wars in Tajikistan and the first Chechen war)?" The man did not tell me who it could be. "a) an indicator of widespread feelings in Russian society and b) pawns/useful idiots/a sort of death squads for ’something/someone bigger’." I think they are mainly a tool for settling commercial interest disputes between Russians and other ethnic groups that now control various commercial structures/points in Moscow.Whoever came up with this idea of getting rid of rivals must have had a really good strategy: use these young idiots as a tool to expand your commercial empire, while giving them some kind of ideology that appeals to general public. This way there is no reason to come up with laws that limit the rights of certain ethnic groups, i.e. there is no risk of condemnation/sanctions from the west, while it still guarrantees pretty much an upper hand to certain Russian groups to dominate the commercial sector. The idea used by these Neo Nazi groups is that pure Russians should be given a special dominant status in the society (by law that is). The claim is as ridiculous as it gets since no one now can claim in Russia that he/she is 100% Russian (that is after 200 years of Tatar-Mongol regime). Pretty much everyone I talked to has some lineage that is clearly non-slavic. Yet, in shows where skinheads figure as people who defend national identity, they get 80% of support through anonymous votes. Isn't that odd? In one of my social experiments where I sat with my Russian friends (around 15 people) I asked them to tell me honestly if they had any other nationalities in their blood. All of them apart from one had either Tatars, Kalmyks, Kazakhs, Jews, etc. except for one (who we jokingly called a minority)... :-) “Who could that be? Zhirinovski and Limonov had no position in the Kremlin as far as I know and are more folklore. Pashka Mercedes maybe (cf. his dubious role during the wars in Tajikistan and the first Chechen war)?” The man did not tell me who it could be.

“a) an indicator of widespread feelings in Russian society and b) pawns/useful idiots/a sort of death squads for ’something/someone bigger’.”

I think they are mainly a tool for settling commercial interest disputes between Russians and other ethnic groups that now control various commercial structures/points in Moscow.Whoever came up with this idea of getting rid of rivals must have had a really good strategy: use these young idiots as a tool to expand your commercial empire, while giving them some kind of ideology that appeals to general public.

This way there is no reason to come up with laws that limit the rights of certain ethnic groups, i.e. there is no risk of condemnation/sanctions from the west, while it still guarrantees pretty much an upper hand to certain Russian groups to dominate the commercial sector.

The idea used by these Neo Nazi groups is that pure Russians should be given a special dominant status in the society (by law that is). The claim is as ridiculous as it gets since no one now can claim in Russia that he/she is 100% Russian (that is after 200 years of Tatar-Mongol regime). Pretty much everyone I talked to has some lineage that is clearly non-slavic.

Yet, in shows where skinheads figure as people who defend national identity, they get 80% of support through anonymous votes. Isn’t that odd?

In one of my social experiments where I sat with my Russian friends (around 15 people) I asked them to tell me honestly if they had any other nationalities in their blood. All of them apart from one had either Tatars, Kalmyks, Kazakhs, Jews, etc. except for one (who we jokingly called a minority)…

:-)

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