Why not admitting that you’re trapped? This said, brother, you are welcome to join us.

Well that’s your emotion to cope with. I don’t know, if your feeling becomes too hard to handle maybe you should see a therapist. (jk)

“I am generally wary of the loaded terms like “Islamic fanaticism.” I find it contradicting that people should choose to put Islam in the same sentence with emotional expletives like fanaticism, terrorism, extremism…”

I have no knowlege about islamofascism and I don’t use the words that have been coined by a bunch of lunatics without any regard whatsoever how many enemies that will create for them. But I have witnessed islamic extremism first hand… That gives me the right to call a spade a spade.

“What’s more, you are setting up a false dichotomy of “liberal/progressive West” and “oppressive/backward Islam,” which in itself is a propaganda technique that feeds into global Imperialist agenda. ”

Let me guess, this thought of yours could also be a false interpretation of reality. Perhaps more like a desparate effort to defend your faith against a perceived threat?

Yeah, the west is conspiring against the world!!! Haha, now this sounds like brainwashing. Much like the tactics of Soviets…a very old propaganda technique (but back then about the capitalist west). if we replace a word or two in your writings one might think he is reading an exert from a soviet history textbook

“Well, TB, there were two sides in the Tajik conflict. Now, by the same token, how can you turn a blind eye on the mistakes of the then regime and single out the opposition for blame only? Not that I support either of them, ba har duash laanat. ”

I am not saying that one side was a saint and the other was a complete devil, but if I had to choose between the two, I would not want to live under the rule of those who want to limit my freedom Let’s face it they did. They want to dictate others how to live. That is the only problem I have with these guys.

Who cares what they wanted first and what they wanted last? The end result is that they wanted an islamic rule and they wanted it established by force.

“people should introduce socialized aspects to mosques in the effort to realize the social message of Islam.”

Social Islam does not exist. It has no ground to develop. It has no followers in CA and it won’t ever start to exist in that area. Extremism has better chances than your little nice (peaceful i hope?) model of social/religious rule.

I laid out my concerns here and this conversation (if we can call it that) is going round and round, with nothing new/interesting or mentally stimulating coming out of it for me.

Well, you can say what you say, but I just cannot shake off this feeling that you do neocons’ bidding, repeating their drivel on this forum.

“The point is that there will always be a group of people who think that they are trying to “read between the lines” and that is perfectly fine. But again that alone does not make the other folks wrong or sheepish (as you picture them here).”

TB (if I may) – whom “them” do I picture here or which “folks”? Be specific, as far as I can see my critique is directed solely to you.

I am generally wary of the loaded terms like “Islamic fanaticism.” I find it contradicting that people should choose to put Islam in the same sentence with emotional expletives like fanaticism, terrorism, extremism and especially the latest hot buzzword of Islamophobic bandwagon – the champion of all neocon vocabulary – “Islamofascism.” To me Islam has nothing to do with any of the labels that “the liberal” Western media sticks to it and which you gratuitously repeat.

“Seeing how the introduction of liberal thought had transformed poor nations into prospering ones (Turkey, most asian countries) and conversely seeing how the Islamic based law had done quite the opposite to other countries (Afghanistan, Iran), I can’t help but side with what I think is right. How’s that for having my own head?”

TB, why would you have to side with anyone or anything? I don’t quite see how siding with anyone translates into having one’s own head!?!? Siding with anyone is a political exercise. What’s more, you are setting up a false dichotomy of “liberal/progressive West” and “oppressive/backward Islam,” which in itself is a propaganda technique that feeds into global Imperialist agenda.

“You are very mistaken by saying that I am saying the things I say just by listening to media. Because a) I hardly watch any political programs and b) I have my own life and experiences to draw my conclusions from ”

Well, by repeating somebody else’s tainted language, I think it is not too far-fetched to say that you are influenced.

“Well, yes if only a bunch of freakin* monkeys did not want to overthrow the government and establish an islamic state. How can you guys turn a blind eye on these well-known historical facts? well, maybe you “have something in it?”

Well, TB, there were two sides in the Tajik conflict. Now, by the same token, how can you turn a blind eye on the mistakes of the then regime and single out the opposition for blame only? Not that I support either of them, ba har duash laanat. TB, you are indulging in a political exercise by being selective here. Come on, if you really lived through the civil conflict, then you should know full well that the opposition was a mixed bag and initially there were no demands for the establishment of an Islamic state or attempts to overthrow the Government by the Islamic element in it until much later in the game when they became radicalized through armed confrontation. I find it unfair that you choose to sling mud at the opposition exclusively, as though Nabiev and his coterie were angels.

“I am not afraid of Islam as a religion and I would love to see a society where the “social islam” as described by Ataman prevails. But let’s face it, this is a dead idea and will never happen because of the geopolitical agenda of those who stand behind Islam as a purely ideological tool.”

But we should strive towards social Islam. Let us not discard Islam as the vehicle for social change. Yes, perhaps currently the mosques in Tajikistan are sites of worship only, but with time people should introduce socialized aspects to mosques in the effort to realize the social message of Islam.

I am sure It won’t take me more than 3 min. to surf the internet and find those who think exactly like you. Hmm, would that give me a right to think you’re probably not using your own head and shoulders

The point is that there will always be a group of people who think that they are trying to “read between the lines” and that is perfectly fine. But again that alone does not make the other folks wrong or sheepish (as you picture them here).

Before making up your mind and sticking labels you need to understand where I am coming from.

I am no fan of Russia or for that matter anyone who wants to influence us (west or arabs). I just want the country to learn to pick and choose what’s best for it.

Seeing how the introduction of liberal thought had transformed poor nations into prospering ones (Turkey, most asian countries) and conversely seeing how the Islamic based law had done quite the opposite to other countries (Afghanistan, Iran), I can’t help but side with what I think is right. How’s that for having my own head?

And trust me having lived through the war I think I can tell the difference between a real Islamic threat and propaganda.

You are very mistaken by saying that I am saying the things I say just by listening to media. Because a) I hardly watch any political programs and b) I have my own life and experiences to draw my conclusions from

If it so happens that my ideas are in line with what others are saying it is not my fault

I am not afraid of Islam as a religion and I would love to see a society where the “social islam” as described by Ataman prevails. But let’s face it, this is a dead idea and will never happen because of the geopolitical agenda of those who stand behind Islam as a purely ideological tool.

I am afraid of those who use this religion as a political tool. Unfortunately in CA, with its level of poverty only the extremist form of Islam seem to have thrived so far. Anyone who is remotely familiar with the situation knows that mosques are hardly a place of worship (if only it was so). They are used as a ideological ground for those who will one day overthrow current governments and establish their islamic based rules. That my friends, is what keeps the threat of islamic extremism alive in the minds of thousands of people.

How is that for not having my own head and shoulders?

Like a fellow Tajik to another fellow Tajik and in the way of hizmat, what do you say I recommned you to the Danish neocons Jyllands Posten, or their US counterpart Weekly Standard, they also carry their wild drivel about the “Islamic threat.” They will love you for doing some propagandist work for them in CA. There is nothing more they would love than having a Tajik poster boy of “freedom” and “democracy promotion” in CA. You got everything it takes, you got their mindset and you got English, and you are a local, the perfect package, go for it brother. Whatever they pay you at this blog is peanuts, go for a bigger buck.

“Anyway, to the tovarichi of the Wahhabi Superme Council, to Gulbüdin Hekmatyar and Al-Qaeda Consulting Services: if you do owe me back salary payments, get in touch.”

Ataman, it makes the two of us, they owe me a lot in pay arears.

But seriously, Tajik Boy, there is a hidden agenda behind anyone spewing BS about “Islamic fanaticism” or “Islamic threat,” I know it well enough through being exposed to the Rupert Murdoch’s propaganda machine on a daily basis. I know it well enough having been exposed to the Russian imperialist propaganda machine that spewed BS about the “threat of Islamic fundamentalism” at the start of the civil unrest in TJK.

I sincerely hope that you don’t have an agenda and that you repeat these poisonous terms but unconciously, mind you they circulate all over the global media with furious intensity. As they say, the lie repeated often enough, becomes truth. I sincerely hope that you are not what I think you are, otherwise, honestly, you come across as the Tajik neocon, who has gratuitously jumped on the Islamophobic bandwagon.

Having said all that, please do not be under impression that I am anti-progress or anti-democracy or inversely pro Al Qaeda or Taleban. I just have my own head on my shoulders and always try to read between the lines.

Ladnoe. Vsyo, vsyo, vsyo: you conviced me. I have seen the threat: http://hpbimg.earthwatcher.nl/ufo.jpg

“With all these ingredients one would think we should have prospered. Well, yes if only a bunch of freakin* monkeys did not want to overthrow the government and establish an islamic state. How can you guys turn a blind eye on these well-known historical facts?”

Chevo?! I didn’t know that Nabiev, his thugs and the Russian military wanted to establish an Islamic state?

“As I said I have no political agenda (unlike maybe some of you who I am sure are paid to sit here and carry their whild BS to the masses?)”

Aaaahhhh, fi-nal-ly! There we have the good old Soviet reflex again of stamping all those with inconvenient views as paid ‘provokatori’. Frankly, I expected something else than resorting to worn-out Soviet techniques from someone who pretends to stand for ‘liberalism’ and ‘democracy’. But maybe it says a lot about how those are used as a veneer for other agendas?

Anyway, to the tovarichi of the Wahhabi Superme Council, to Gulbüdin Hekmatyar and Al-Qaeda Consulting Services: if you do owe me back salary payments, get in touch.

When the soviet union collapsed, Tajikistan had a very high literacy rate, a well-functioning infrastructure and a great number of educated people. With all these ingredients one would think we should have prospered. Well, yes if only a bunch of freakin* monkeys did not want to overthrow the government and establish an islamic state. How can you guys turn a blind eye on these well-known historical facts? well, maybe you “have something in it”?

“Tajik Boy, the terms that you choose to use make you look like a mouthpiece of the neocons, which makes me wonder if there is something in it for you.”

I am surprised I did not get this kind of accusations before. Took you a while to catch up As I said I have no political agenda (unlike maybe some of you who I am sure are paid to sit here and carry their whild BS to the masses?)

Trust me if I had something in it, I would do a much better job of trashing any opposing views.