Comments on: Rumi and Goethe http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/ neweurasia\'s latest on Tajikistan Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:35:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: tajikistan.neweurasia.net » Tajikistan to celebrate the 1150th anniversary of Rudaki http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-21764 tajikistan.neweurasia.net » Tajikistan to celebrate the 1150th anniversary of Rudaki Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:09:30 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-21764 [...] Ben prepared an excellent post on Rumi and Geothe, the two great poets. I responded to that post saying that it was important to [...] […] Ben prepared an excellent post on Rumi and Geothe, the two great poets. I responded to that post saying that it was important to […]

]]> By: Tajik Boy http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-21248 Tajik Boy Mon, 28 May 2007 19:56:11 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-21248 "Brothers, that clash will certainly come. In fact, it’s in the making. But it will not be between ‘the West/Occident’ and ‘Islam/the Orient’ but between the Anglo-Saxons, the neo-Byzantines (i.e. Russia) and the Chinese." You missed Hundus :) Russia is dead as a power. It is utterly corrupt, immobile and lacks the ideology (except for neo-nazi crap) which could unite the nation. My understanding is that 15-20 years down the road, Russia will disintegrate into small territories. To me Iran has better chances than Russia. “Brothers, that clash will certainly come. In fact, it’s in the making. But it will not be between ‘the West/Occident’ and ‘Islam/the Orient’ but between the Anglo-Saxons, the neo-Byzantines (i.e. Russia) and the Chinese.”

You missed Hundus :) Russia is dead as a power. It is utterly corrupt, immobile and lacks the ideology (except for neo-nazi crap) which could unite the nation. My understanding is that 15-20 years down the road, Russia will disintegrate into small territories.

To me Iran has better chances than Russia.

]]> By: Ataman Rakin http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-20602 Ataman Rakin Thu, 24 May 2007 08:35:02 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-20602 "I wish the proponents of the “clash of civilizations” theory read Johann Wolfgang von Goethe’s works." Brothers, that clash will certainly come. In fact, it's in the making. But it will not be between 'the West/Occident' and 'Islam/the Orient' but between the Anglo-Saxons, the neo-Byzantines (i.e. Russia) and the Chinese. “I wish the proponents of the “clash of civilizations” theory read Johann Wolfgang von Goethe’s works.”

Brothers, that clash will certainly come. In fact, it’s in the making. But it will not be between ‘the West/Occident’ and ‘Islam/the Orient’ but between the Anglo-Saxons, the neo-Byzantines (i.e. Russia) and the Chinese.

]]> By: Ataman Rakin http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-20474 Ataman Rakin Wed, 23 May 2007 12:05:00 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-20474 Yes Ben. Rumi is a popularised expression of Sufism. And since Sufism is more than Rumi, for those interested, here are some resources about Sufism in general: In English: http://godlas.myweb.uga.edu/Sufism.html 'The Sufi way' by Idries Shah (ISBN-10: 0140192522 ISBN-13: 978-0140192520) is recommended too. It's a good anthology of Sufi sayings collected by Idries Shah that I always take with me when on the road. Na Russkom: http://www.universalinternetlibrary.ru/book/ernst/ogl.shtml http://sufism.ru/portal/ http://sufizm.ru Sufism is often seen as a new age form of Islam. Yet it also had/s serious mobilizing power, eg. for social work or for anti-colonial resistance eg. in Sudan and in the Northern Caucasus. Unfortunately, today Sufism risks to become victim of attempts to recuperate and promote it as soft and 'politically correct' form of Islam, e.g. the neocon-linked Sufi Muslim Council (http://www.islam.ru/lib/warning/suotf/ ), or both Karimov and Rakhmonov’s regimes attempts to do that (eg. http://www.isim.nl/files/Review_16/Review_16-38.pdf ). Yes Ben. Rumi is a popularised expression of Sufism. And since Sufism is more than Rumi, for those interested, here are some resources about Sufism in general:

In English:
http://godlas.myweb.uga.edu/Sufism.html

‘The Sufi way’ by Idries Shah (ISBN-10: 0140192522
ISBN-13: 978-0140192520) is recommended too. It’s a good anthology of Sufi sayings collected by Idries Shah that I always take with me when on the road.

Na Russkom: http://www.universalinternetlibrary.ru/book/ernst/ogl.shtml
http://sufism.ru/portal/
http://sufizm.ru

Sufism is often seen as a new age form of Islam. Yet it also had/s serious mobilizing power, eg. for social work or for anti-colonial resistance eg. in Sudan and in the Northern Caucasus.

Unfortunately, today Sufism risks to become victim of attempts to recuperate and promote it as soft and ‘politically correct’ form of Islam, e.g. the neocon-linked Sufi Muslim Council (http://www.islam.ru/lib/warning/suotf/ ), or both Karimov and Rakhmonov’s regimes attempts to do that (eg. http://www.isim.nl/files/Review_16/Review_16-38.pdf ).

]]> By: dancing dervish http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-20345 dancing dervish Tue, 22 May 2007 18:26:25 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-20345 Ben, ”If you know yourself and others, You’ll know it in the end: There is no way to separate Orient and Occident.” I wish the proponents of the "clash of civilizations" theory read Johann Wolfgang von Goethe's works. Long live Goethe! And thanks for the article on Mawlana Jalaluddin Rumi. Ben,

”If you know yourself and others, You’ll know it in the end: There is no way to separate Orient and Occident.” I wish the proponents of the “clash of civilizations” theory read Johann Wolfgang von Goethe’s works.

Long live Goethe! And thanks for the article on Mawlana Jalaluddin Rumi.

]]> By: faramarz http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-20187 faramarz Mon, 21 May 2007 18:53:45 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-20187 This is what UNESCO says: http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=37629&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html 800th anniversary of the birth of Mawlana Jalal-ud-Din Balkhi-Rumi (Mevlana Celaleddin Belhī Rūmī), poet and philosopher (1207-1273) The prominent Persian language poet, thinker and spiritual master Mawlana Jalal-ud-Din Balkhi-Rumi (Mevlana Celaleddin Belhī Rūmī) was born in 1207 in Balkh, presently Afghanistan. He lived almost all of his life in Konya, presently Turkey, and died there in 1273. He remains one of the greatest thinkers and scholars of Islamic civilization. He addressed humanity as a whole: “I do not distinguish between the relative and the stranger.” The people of Afghanistan, Iran and Turkey consider him to be their own poet. Year : 2007 Countries : Afghanistan, Egypt, Turkey and welcomed by the Islamic Republic of Iran The celebration of this anniversary was proposed to the 33rd session of the General Conference by Afghanistan, Egypt, Turkey (33C/Resolution 63) and welcomed by the Islamic Republic of Iran. Celebrations : A UNESCO medal in honour of Mawlana Jalal-ud-Din Balkhi-Rumi will be issued in 2007 (175EX/Decision 56; document 175 EX/11 Rev 2) Cultural events will be organized by Afghanistan, Iran and Turkey in September 2007 at UNESCO Headquarters A block of stamps displaying the UNESCO’s logo will be issued by the Turkish, Iranian and Afghan post offices with the theme of the commemoration of the 800th year of Mawlana’s birth The Organization About UNESCO Governing bodies Director-General Secretariat Strategy Programme & Budget Field Offices & Institutes External Relations UNESCO Networks Celebrity Advocates Prizes & Celebrations Services News Service Documentation Resources Statistics Legal Instruments Employment / Internships Fellowships This is what UNESCO says:

http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=37629&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

800th anniversary of the birth of Mawlana Jalal-ud-Din Balkhi-Rumi (Mevlana Celaleddin Belhī Rūmī), poet and philosopher (1207-1273)

The prominent Persian language poet, thinker and spiritual master Mawlana Jalal-ud-Din Balkhi-Rumi (Mevlana Celaleddin Belhī Rūmī) was born in 1207 in Balkh, presently Afghanistan. He lived almost all of his life in Konya, presently Turkey, and died there in 1273. He remains one of the greatest thinkers and scholars of Islamic civilization. He addressed humanity as a whole:

“I do not distinguish between the relative and the stranger.”

The people of Afghanistan, Iran and Turkey consider him to be their own poet.

Year : 2007
Countries : Afghanistan, Egypt, Turkey and welcomed by the Islamic Republic of Iran

The celebration of this anniversary was proposed to the 33rd session of the General Conference by Afghanistan, Egypt, Turkey (33C/Resolution 63) and welcomed by the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Celebrations :

A UNESCO medal in honour of Mawlana Jalal-ud-Din Balkhi-Rumi will be issued in 2007 (175EX/Decision 56; document 175 EX/11 Rev 2)

Cultural events will be organized by Afghanistan, Iran and Turkey in September 2007 at UNESCO Headquarters

A block of stamps displaying the UNESCO’s logo will be issued by the Turkish, Iranian and Afghan post offices with the theme of the commemoration of the 800th year of Mawlana’s birth

The Organization
About UNESCO
Governing bodies
Director-General
Secretariat
Strategy
Programme & Budget
Field Offices & Institutes
External Relations
UNESCO Networks
Celebrity Advocates
Prizes & Celebrations
Services
News Service
Documentation Resources
Statistics
Legal Instruments
Employment / Internships
Fellowships

]]> By: Ben http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-20166 Ben Mon, 21 May 2007 14:51:42 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-20166 Ataman, I didn't pass any judgment on Madonna's admiration for Rumi, it's just interesting to see how the mainstream embraces his writings. Vadim - yeah, the Tajiks and Iranians have missed that train as it seems, also evident from UNESCO spelling Rumi in the Turkish way... Ataman, I didn’t pass any judgment on Madonna’s admiration for Rumi, it’s just interesting to see how the mainstream embraces his writings.

Vadim - yeah, the Tajiks and Iranians have missed that train as it seems, also evident from UNESCO spelling Rumi in the Turkish way…

]]> By: Vadim http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-20165 Vadim Mon, 21 May 2007 14:30:53 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-20165 Thanks Ben, Very interesting post. It is important to mention that 2007 was declared as the<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalal_ad-Din_Muhammad_Rumi#International_Rumi_Year" rel="nofollow"> International Rumi Day by UNESCO</a> upon the the proposal of Turkey not Iran or Tajikistan. It proves the universal effect of Rumi, and probably he is the only oriental poet who is widely read in the West. Thanks Ben,

Very interesting post. It is important to mention that 2007 was declared as the International Rumi Day by UNESCO upon the the proposal of Turkey not Iran or Tajikistan. It proves the universal effect of Rumi, and probably he is the only oriental poet who is widely read in the West.

]]> By: Ataman Rakin http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-20144 Ataman Rakin Mon, 21 May 2007 09:41:40 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-20144 "Nowadays, Rumi’s poetry is a bestseller and inspires artists such as Madonna." :) Pfff, the question is what you understand under 'inspires (...) Madonna': is it sincere interest, or merely the upteenth pseudo-spiritual celebrity fad (I mean, at one time she was Hindu then Jewish then what else...)? “Nowadays, Rumi’s poetry is a bestseller and inspires artists such as Madonna.”

:) Pfff, the question is what you understand under ‘inspires (…) Madonna’: is it sincere interest, or merely the upteenth pseudo-spiritual celebrity fad (I mean, at one time she was Hindu then Jewish then what else…)?

]]> By: Ian http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-20109 Ian Mon, 21 May 2007 02:17:43 +0000 http://tajikistan.neweurasia.net/2007/05/20/rumi-and-goethe/#comment-20109 Great post, Ben. What makes the Tajikistan/Afghanistan/Iran competition over the legacy even more absurd is that the name "Rumi" refers to the fact that he lived most of his life in Anatolia, ie modern-day Turkey. Great post, Ben.

What makes the Tajikistan/Afghanistan/Iran competition over the legacy even more absurd is that the name “Rumi” refers to the fact that he lived most of his life in Anatolia, ie modern-day Turkey.

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