Execution of migrants in Russia by neo-Nazis
The video of Russian nationalists posted in the Internet on Sunday, which shows the execution of a Tajik and Dagistani, shocked everyone. It was the first time when the Russian neo-Nazis made public such a material. These days it is the most discussed topic in the Russian blogosphere according to the rating of Yandex. This video shows how the masked people cut the head of a Dagestani and shoot in the head a Tajik. It is terrible to acknowledge that most of the comments about this video welcome this action, but certainly there are also many comments which disapprove it. I could not find the video because in most of the websites it was deleted but here are some pictures which fully show the action of execution and also found a good report by Telegraph and Russia Today.
Today the Russian news website Newsru.com reported (rus) that the person who disseminated this video came to a local police station to give himself up.
on August 15th, 2007 at 10:31 pm
And the world thinks Iran is evil… Genocide takes place on daily basis in Russia but no one seems to care.
on August 16th, 2007 at 10:58 am
Yeah, I’ve heard about this issue. That is what we were talking about during our trip to Almaty. Do you remember?
on August 16th, 2007 at 11:21 am
Yes, you’re right. I also see the sarcasm in your words. I remember, I was saying that in most of the cases the labor migrants are guilty because they violate the laws of Russia, which makes angry the Russian population, which in its turn brings to birth the nationalist resistance, in some cases moderate and in others radical. But Mirsulzhan this is an extraordinary case, one can not say that all the Russians are eager to kill all the migrants or chernie (blacks) as the nationalists call them. The action on this video is just sick. I didn’t want to make my post bigger with more links and translations, just because I could not bear this…
on August 16th, 2007 at 11:34 am
It very terrible that now Russian authroities are searching for a person who published the video on Internet, this only matters for them, not the real fact that two innocent persons were beheaded and shot dead in a hate crime. Russian authorities have already launched criminal proceedings against the person who spread the vide on Internet, and in charges of instigating inter-national hatred, so the real problem, the face of modern Russia-Xenophobia is ignored and sidelined.
Even Russian media discusses only one side of the story: who spread the video? All have forgotten the basic: men are being killled brutally. Thousands other are treated the same way in Russia, but all are kept secret, Russian police even may have complicity, but all is covered.
The very Russian policy since Putin’s coming to power changed the face of Russia: from a tolerant to a fascist society, Russian intellectuals are quiet. There is no anti-racist movement in Russia, here all are “patriots” and for them fascist patrioitism is above human dignity, above all other values.
Some say that despite brutals acts of racists in Russia, Tajiks still prefer to live in Russia than in Tajikistan.This kind of formulating the question is completely wrong. Every human being has the right to live everywhere and anywhere in the world, and nobody should question why Tajiks live or prefer to live in Russia or somewhere else. There are many Russian who still prefer to live in Tajikistan despite being a war-struck country, poverty etc. Should we question this? No, this is nonsense!
When there is hatred and crime, you can not search for any other reason of justification or causes and causations, the real cause is the hating person and the main responsible is he who carries out these brutal acts, no other cause or reason should be searched. Blaming the victim for something is another form of justifying crime. Many say that Tajik migrants do not know Russian well, but not knowing the languegs should not be a reason for one being murdered, attacked, killed by fascists and ultranationalists, plundered by police etc.. Not knowing a languag properly is not a crime, it depends on one’s talent and willingness, but attacking, killing, murdering and plundering foreigner is a crime, which cannot be justified.
There millions of foreign migrants in America and european countries, all of them speak English or French with their own accent, they do not know English or French well enough, they live, their rights are protected, nobody has any right to nag them.
Therefore, I think discussing any other thing besides condemning the act of hatred and murder is baseless here. Russian authorities should rather carck down on their ultra nationalists and fascist harboured by officials and even some nationalist parties.
Putin should change his policies of Russian hegemonism and should respect other ex-Soviet countries as equal partners, he should offcially thank foreign migrants who bring more good to Russia than to their own countries. Russia should obey the international conventions, especially the convention on migration.
The time of fascism and ultranationalism has passed, Russia is a MULTI_ETHNIC country and this should be reognised by the Russian state and duma and society.
Nothing justifies crime, nothing justifies hatred,
on August 16th, 2007 at 1:30 pm
Vadim,
I would very much advise against tha kind of logic… That is the kind of thinking that Russki government/nazis want you and others to accept. The fact that certain individuals break the law does not warrant these brainless nuts a license to kill. Those who break the law should be prosecuted according to the laws of the country. This is how they do it in DEVELOPED countries.
Plus, the understanding is such that Tajiks “break the law” by default just by being in Russia.
There is no legal way of proving this but it is a fact accepted by majority of Tajiks and THAT is a PROBLEM!!! We can’t sit here bitching about being abused while refusing to take action against such attrocities. At times I whish I was a lawyer. Then I could take this case where it should go and fry some nazi assess.
I have lived in Russia for a long time and boy I can tell there is something really rotten in the minds of the whole population. I don’t know if it’s a lack of ideology or genetic, but majority of people do not have any respect towards values which more or less any decent human being holds dear on Earth. Respect to life being one of them. I can say this to you with from a position of authority because I have travelled extensively and seen the world. Russians do not share the same moral background with the rest of the world.
It is sad to see that economic hardships have made millions leave their homes in search for income. I blame those who created this situation (on both sides) and those who failed to put set the priorities right in Tajikistan and make something out of this beautiful land.
on August 16th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
Of course, no-one can avoid existence of neo-Nazi fringe groups and it it unfair to say that they, and what happens in the video, are typical for Russian society. On the other hand, being all too familiar with the Russian mentality and mindset (at least among some segments of Russian society both in Russia and among Russians in CA) I am not surprised that many approve it too.
Either case, I hope that this video and the whole controverse around it are strong enough to shock Central Asians and Muslim Caucasians into understanding that in the end, ‘big brother Russia’ will not ’save’ or ‘help’ them (as many naïvely think).
That the biggest troublemaker in the former Soviet space have never heen Wahhabis or Jihadis but the Russia military establishment. The fact that so many people from the southern USSR are compelled to go and work in Russia is a consequence of that.
That neither will ‘the West’ and the IOs save and protect them for they have screwed up in the region not in the least with their double standards.
And that if the Central Asians and Muslim Caucasians want to get respected and defend themselves if and where needed (esp. at home too), they will have to do so as *Muslims*.
“nothing justifies hatred,”
As a matter of fact, some things do.
on August 16th, 2007 at 2:06 pm
“but majority of people do not have any respect towards values which more or less any decent human being holds dear on Earth. Respect to life being one of them. Russians do not share the same moral background with the rest of the world.”
I can’t agree more (which does not happens very often between us, doesn’t it
). See, the biggest mistake that people make esp. in Europe/the West is that they assume that Russians are Europeans and the reason thay do so is because Russians are white and because there is Ikea, KFC and rap music in Moscow etc.
Yet if you look scratch beyond these physicial superficialities, if you go into the culture/mentality then you find an Oriental/Byzantine and xenophobic society and establishment that can not maturely deal with power.
on August 16th, 2007 at 2:16 pm
Not long ago I was sitting in a bar listening to a Russki guy who went to visit his relatives back home in Russia. He said he hated the bums on the streets and kicked them unconcious every time he saw them sleeping on the ground (just for fun)…
Now when I hear this kind of stuff I get SICK because it is so repulsive and unnatural, but these guys think it is fun. The whole nation needs a therapy.
on August 17th, 2007 at 6:14 am
Tajik boy, you’re talking about xenophobic people and in your turn behave in the same hateful manner towards the other nation. Then, what is the difference between you and them? You CAN NOT make conclusions about the whole nation and put labels.
These masked bastards do not represent the whole Russian society.
This kind of brutal actions in front of a camera is the favorite method of Wahabis, Jihadists, Tabliban, Al-Qaeda, Chechen separatists, and others, to punish the kafirs (infidels). They say that they are the fighters of Allah, meaning that they represent the whole Muslim society. Do they? NO!. The same is with the Russian Nazis and other xenophobic movements. They do not represent the whole Russian society.
Speaking about the camera, we must admit that those who “represent” us were the first who started recording the execution of “infidels” on camera and spreading it through Internet other means of mass communication in order to scare other “infidels”. In this case these masked people used the same instrument to scare the so called colonists or chernie (blacks).
Recently, my brother-in-law, who considers himself a true Muslim, visited me in Bishkek. He was telling me about the true Islam and wanted to convince me that I should also pray five times a day (although I’m a Shiite) and do everything according to Sharia. He was telling me that the Christians and Jews are our main enemies and we should fight them (although my wife is a Christian and he was eating the food that she cooked). He showed me a video on his fancy mobile phone, where the Chechen separatists cut the head of a young (probably 20 years old) Russian soldier. He was killed like a beast. I was shocked. He said these are the true fighters of Allah and they killed the infidel, our enemy, they did the right thing in the name of Allah. Then, is he a true Muslim? I doubt. Also, the question: What is the difference between him (”the true Muslim”) and the Russian Nazis?
No matter who makes such terrible actions must be punished according to a secular law but not the medieval one.
on August 17th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Tajik boy, you’re talking about xenophobic people and in your turn behave in the same hateful manner towards the other nation. Then, what is the difference between you and them? You CAN NOT make conclusions about the whole nation and put labels.
These masked bastards do not represent the whole Russian society.
First of all I am sorry if I hurt anyone’s feelings with my earlier post, but I would not equate my statement as a manifestation of hatred. I don’t hate russkis, I just don’t care about them. What you said about Chechens is true and I have had the same repulsive feelings when one of them wanted me to look at his videos back in Russia. But again bashing Chechens you miss how russki soldiers rape Chechen women and kill children (could that be the reason?). So let’s be a bit objective here ok?
When you endorse statements like “they come and break the laws” you de facto perpetuating someone else’s agenda (planted in your head). Trust me I have lived long enough in Russia to see how the majority supports these nazi groups, on TV shows, in the polls, you name it. I have even seen those who have never seen a Tajik but still didn’t like them just because everyone else didn’t. In 90s the scapegoats were CHechens, now it is time for Tajiks. I think it has to do with russki egos. They have fallen so far behind that they need a nation to pick on to feel better. If this is their way of making themselves feeling better then they do need a therapy.
I just wanted to say that being drawn to an ideology that says “kill everyone who is not like you” is plain sick (that goes both ways by the way).
The difference is that in Russia the majority naturally tends to accept such an ideology, which is strange but not inexplicable because no one pretty much (including themselves) understands where they stand (morally). In other words they do not share the same moral background with the rest of the world.
on August 17th, 2007 at 4:11 pm
“But again bashing Chechens you miss how russki soldiers rape Chechen women and kill children (could that be the reason?).”
Yes. I am not naïve about what happened in Chechnya and the resistance groups were not angels either. Yet let’s stay serious: no Chechens or other ex-Soviet Muslims have *ever* killed or injured up to 175,000 Russians among which one-third minors (cf. an analysis of different sources in Central Asian Survey) and dislocated a society as thoroughly as the Russian military did in Chechnya and Ingushetia! BTW: how many Beslans were that?
“In 90s the scapegoats were CHechens, now it is time for Tajiks. I think it has to do with russki egos. They have fallen so far behind that they need a nation to pick on to feel better.”
Well, I think it has to do with a backlash on all the frustration and humiliation cropped up during the ’90s when Russian society and economy were decomposing after the Soviet collapse (which was beacsue the Soviet system was rotten from within). Many Russians (rightly) blame the West (esp. the US) and the IFIs for that, for having propagated disastrous neo-liberal economic recipes duirng the Yeltsin years. But for now, ‘the West’ is a bit too big and too strong to take on, so the Muslims and other southerners take the brunt.
on August 17th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
“for having propagated disastrous neo-liberal economic recipes during the Yeltsin years.” or these pedantic Euro-parlementarians who came to promote homosexuality in Moscow the other day…
on August 17th, 2007 at 6:22 pm
Totally agree. I think this is overall attributed to population’s inferiority complex. It is made even more painful by the advances other countries are making in the post-Soviet arena (namely Kazakhstan).
All of a sudden russkis are not the best and the most progressive because that requires a flexible/open mind and adoption of a new paradigm of world order in which nations and economies are extremely interdependent and no single country has an upper hand.
Russians live in their fantacy world where they picture themselves as a power that is equal in magnitude with that of Europe or the US. The reality however is that they are extremely behind in every aspect.
If you follow the headlines of the past 2 years in Russia the country is focused in re-establishing itself as the world “superpower” (examples: “Putin revives Russia’s long-haul bomber flights”, “Russian Arctic expedition to explore underwater oil deposits in disputed territories nears North Pole”, “Putin strong as 15 men” etc. sorry I took that last one from Daily Show by Jon Stewart, couldn’t resist) but that only makes them a laughing stock.
It seems that they are caught in whirlpool of self-praise lately with no real advancement in other areas. They have been more integrated in the world economy during eltsin era than they are now. Isolation and protectionism filled with pride for once “great” nation seem to be the agenda nowadays.
With this vector of thinking Cold War-II is not too far away from our radar screens.
on August 18th, 2007 at 7:51 am
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on August 18th, 2007 at 8:00 am
To Faramarz:
please stop waisting space on this website with your verbal diarrhea. Just because you learned to type doesnt mean you should give every one else a headache with your /thoughts/. Please, I beg you, it is a cruel and unusual punishment.
on August 18th, 2007 at 3:44 pm
I am not sure where you’re getting with this but you can rest assured that the term “ignorant” does not in any way describe me. I am perhaps one of the most open-minded people with the most acute sense of “Russian reality and dynamics” you will ever meet(take that as a note for the future).
I have the luxury of not only understanding the language (which I speak from the moment I was born) but also feeling the subtle differences in the way russians express their thoughts and emotions. So my conclusions herein are firmly grounded in reality and have gone through multi-level analysis before seeing the light.
I disagree with this. Understanding “differences between people and the complexities therein” requires at least spending some time with these people and not having travelled much on contrary would make the conclusions of these folks erroneous. To me someone who travelled is more credible than who never left his town and thinks he knows how the world functions.
This whole thing reminds me of the following fact: during the Cold War US “Russian Experts” studied the Soviet Union by reading newspapers. Needless to say all of their analysis and predictions were nowhere near the money.
on August 18th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
To horny-bastard:
You know you are incapable of thinking, therefore, you couldn’t express anything more than few senseless phrases.
on August 18th, 2007 at 11:23 pm
The problem of Rusians in general and Putiiin in particular is that they have a sort of feeling of insecurity. It started ever since the Soviet empire had collapsed. Putiiin has not once expressed regret about it.
Nazis (read Nashi) and ultra-nationalists in Rusia, including Mr kgb-turned-to-head of state, are a bunch of talentless people who are worried about their own future, therefore they are very nervious, sensitive, emotional, easily get drunken by Georgian wines at times.
Ambitions of superpower bare-handed-nothing better reflects the story of modern Russian Putenism tendency. Let Misha slap at their face once again.
Faramarz
These bunch of talentless are afraid of loosing other large parts of Russia which had been colonialised centuries before.
on August 18th, 2007 at 11:27 pm
Just think, if Chechnya is liberated, Dagestan, Tatarstan… follow, Siberia is handed over to China… Puttin’s Arctic plans are not far less intelligent…..
on August 20th, 2007 at 5:13 am
HORNY_BASTARD, stop using offensive language, otherwise, all of your comments will be moderated.
on August 20th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
“But for now, ‘the West’ is a bit too big and too strong to take on, so the Muslims and other southerners take the brunt.”
I also think that the following one who will be, well if not toast then at least have its life made difficult, is the EU: no common army and little military power; little political unity-cum-plump mega-bureaucracy; and, especially, increasingly dependent on Russian gas i.e. Gazprom.
They will use that leverage for sure. What Russia or at least certian power and interest groups will also do, IMO, is to use the Russian communities on EU territory via proxies i.e. right-wing and criminal groups active among them. We have recently seen an example during the riots in Tallinn. Those could have been a one-off.
on August 21st, 2007 at 2:10 pm
Oops I was cut off. Last sentence should be: “Those could have been a one-off but I don’t think so.”
on August 30th, 2007 at 10:14 pm
it seems if you dont support a leftist point of view on this messege board they will delete your messege [moderated]
on September 10th, 2007 at 9:51 am
Apparently, Russian neo-Nazis now also export themselves to places where one wouldn’t expect them at all…
Or does it? The treatment and ghettoisation of the Palestinians reminds one or two things.
Israeli ‘neo-Nazi gang’ arrested
Israeli police say they have broken up a gang of neo-Nazis who are accused of carrying out attacks on foreigners, gay people and religious Jews.
The eight suspects, aged 16-21, are all Israeli citizens from the former Soviet Union. They were arrested a month ago, but the news only emerged on Saturday.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6985808.stm
on September 14th, 2007 at 3:00 am
so everyone else can fight for their race and country but whites cant? i forgot its a crime to be white in a world full of jews and leftists
on September 14th, 2007 at 3:02 am
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